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		<title>By: Jeff Schiller</title>
		<link>http://www.codedread.com/blog/archives/2008/05/21/what-are-you-planning-to-grow/comment-page-1/#comment-1036</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Schiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen any earthworms in the boxes.  I doubt they could get through the weed barrier cloth.  However, I&#039;ve seen enough of them in our regular soil that I was tempted to throw a couple into the boxes.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/sqfoot/msg0416291214832.html?17&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This thread&lt;/a&gt; suggests that earthworms would provide little benefit to the mix we use in SFG (equal parts compost, peat moss and vermiculite) and they might actually starve!  I think I&#039;ll just see what happens this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any earthworms in the boxes.  I doubt they could get through the weed barrier cloth.  However, I&#8217;ve seen enough of them in our regular soil that I was tempted to throw a couple into the boxes.  <a href="http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/sqfoot/msg0416291214832.html?17" rel="nofollow">This thread</a> suggests that earthworms would provide little benefit to the mix we use in SFG (equal parts compost, peat moss and vermiculite) and they might actually starve!  I think I&#8217;ll just see what happens this year.</p>
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		<title>By: candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t need to spray -- what&#039;s the point of trying to grow healthy food for your family if you&#039;re just going to spray pesticide on it?



You can experiment with cayenne pepper and soapy water though.  I&#039;ve never tried it but I&#039;ve heard it can help.  I just watch for the white cabbage moths and when I see they&#039;ve been spending time around the plants I just pick off the eggs and baby worms before they eat the leaves.



But I was actually asking about earthworms in the dirt.  Worm castings are good for the soil, good for the plants and all that. I&#039;m wondering if your boxes will thwart them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need to spray &#8212; what&#8217;s the point of trying to grow healthy food for your family if you&#8217;re just going to spray pesticide on it?</p>
<p>You can experiment with cayenne pepper and soapy water though.  I&#8217;ve never tried it but I&#8217;ve heard it can help.  I just watch for the white cabbage moths and when I see they&#8217;ve been spending time around the plants I just pick off the eggs and baby worms before they eat the leaves.</p>
<p>But I was actually asking about earthworms in the dirt.  Worm castings are good for the soil, good for the plants and all that. I&#8217;m wondering if your boxes will thwart them?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Schiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Schiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is ... wow - next time I&#039;m that way you&#039;ll have to give me the tour...



I actually found my first worm-like thing this evening when I was removing some leaves/tree seeds and a couple little weedlings.  It was lying on top of the soil at the edge of the box (not near a plant).  It was the size of a caterpillar but it wasn&#039;t fuzzy and it moved more vigorously than a caterpillar.  I think it might have been a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/bugreview/cabbageworm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cabbage worm&lt;/a&gt;, I should have paid closer attention to its markings.  Does that mean I have to spray?  ugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is &#8230; wow &#8211; next time I&#8217;m that way you&#8217;ll have to give me the tour&#8230;</p>
<p>I actually found my first worm-like thing this evening when I was removing some leaves/tree seeds and a couple little weedlings.  It was lying on top of the soil at the edge of the box (not near a plant).  It was the size of a caterpillar but it wasn&#8217;t fuzzy and it moved more vigorously than a caterpillar.  I think it might have been a <a href="http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/bugreview/cabbageworm.html" rel="nofollow">cabbage worm</a>, I should have paid closer attention to its markings.  Does that mean I have to spray?  ugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff -- I&#039;m still in progress and it&#039;s dark out right now so counts will have to be estimates, but so far in the veggie garden I&#039;ve got

- about a dozen tomatoes, mostly romas

- 8 or so sweet pepper plants

- 4 cayenne pepper

- 4 eggplant

- about a dozen broccolis

- piles of marigolds (and garlic and onions to come) in between, especially around the broccolis (have you read about companion planting for pest control?  I&#039;ve learned to do everything I can to keep up with the cabbage worms...)

- a patch of peas -- about 30 plants, not yet up

- a patch of green beans -- about 60 plants, not yet up

(I&#039;ll be doing a second planting of peas and beans in about 2 weeks to keep the harvest continuous)

- about a dozen Kentucky runner beans, seeds soaking to be planted tomorrow

- calendula and nasturtiums galore for salad

- cucumbers will go in this weekend -- about half a dozen

- lima beans -- about 20 plants

- a patch of carrots

- and a pile o&#039; Jerusalem artichokes that will hopefully reach 10 feet tall



The flower gardens are mainly perennials, with lilies, irises, phlox, hostas, columbine, echinacea, and dahlias with a handful of annuals like morning glories, more nasturtiums, cosmos, snapdragons and four-o&#039;clocks.  I&#039;ll put some more kentucky runner beans on the trellis in the front because they&#039;re such excellent climbing vines and I don&#039;t think the clematis I transplanted are going to make it.



It sure didn&#039;t take me long to outgrow the space I prepared.



Oh and chocolate mint! My number-one-favourite herb.  It&#039;s on the edge of the grass and I&#039;m hoping it will eventually take over the lawn.  It&#039;s low growing so needs less mowing, but when it does get cut it smells amazing.



I&#039;ll be mulching around all the plants in the upcoming weeks because it helps keep the moisture in and the weeds down.



So Jeff, if you&#039;ve made it through this long reply I have a question for you:  have you seen any worms in your dirt yet? I&#039;m curious to know if they&#039;ll find their way through your box bottoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff &#8212; I&#8217;m still in progress and it&#8217;s dark out right now so counts will have to be estimates, but so far in the veggie garden I&#8217;ve got</p>
<p>- about a dozen tomatoes, mostly romas</p>
<p>- 8 or so sweet pepper plants</p>
<p>- 4 cayenne pepper</p>
<p>- 4 eggplant</p>
<p>- about a dozen broccolis</p>
<p>- piles of marigolds (and garlic and onions to come) in between, especially around the broccolis (have you read about companion planting for pest control?  I&#8217;ve learned to do everything I can to keep up with the cabbage worms&#8230;)</p>
<p>- a patch of peas &#8212; about 30 plants, not yet up</p>
<p>- a patch of green beans &#8212; about 60 plants, not yet up</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ll be doing a second planting of peas and beans in about 2 weeks to keep the harvest continuous)</p>
<p>- about a dozen Kentucky runner beans, seeds soaking to be planted tomorrow</p>
<p>- calendula and nasturtiums galore for salad</p>
<p>- cucumbers will go in this weekend &#8212; about half a dozen</p>
<p>- lima beans &#8212; about 20 plants</p>
<p>- a patch of carrots</p>
<p>- and a pile o&#8217; Jerusalem artichokes that will hopefully reach 10 feet tall</p>
<p>The flower gardens are mainly perennials, with lilies, irises, phlox, hostas, columbine, echinacea, and dahlias with a handful of annuals like morning glories, more nasturtiums, cosmos, snapdragons and four-o&#8217;clocks.  I&#8217;ll put some more kentucky runner beans on the trellis in the front because they&#8217;re such excellent climbing vines and I don&#8217;t think the clematis I transplanted are going to make it.</p>
<p>It sure didn&#8217;t take me long to outgrow the space I prepared.</p>
<p>Oh and chocolate mint! My number-one-favourite herb.  It&#8217;s on the edge of the grass and I&#8217;m hoping it will eventually take over the lawn.  It&#8217;s low growing so needs less mowing, but when it does get cut it smells amazing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be mulching around all the plants in the upcoming weeks because it helps keep the moisture in and the weeds down.</p>
<p>So Jeff, if you&#8217;ve made it through this long reply I have a question for you:  have you seen any worms in your dirt yet? I&#8217;m curious to know if they&#8217;ll find their way through your box bottoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Schiller</title>
		<link>http://www.codedread.com/blog/archives/2008/05/21/what-are-you-planning-to-grow/comment-page-1/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Schiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fyrd,



Wow - that&#039;s a lot of tomato plants (we had 8 last year and I thought that was too much, though we didn&#039;t can any).



I&#039;ve never heard of &#039;lasagna gardening&#039; - thanks for the tip.  We&#039;re doing square foot gardening (wooden boxes on top of existing soil with a weed barrier underneath to prevent weeds.  Following his book, we are using &quot;Mel&#039;s Mix&quot; which is equal parts peat moss, compost, and vermiculite.  This results in a very rich soil.  Apparently one of the benefits of SFG is the really easy weeding (since we&#039;re starting with no weed seeds in the soil, any time I see a weed starting to sprout, just pull it out).



I think all the work that this year is costing me (the boxes, the vertical trellises, the cages, planting trees) is mostly a one-time cost, so I hope following years get easier.  Yes, you can call me naïve :)



Again, congratulations on the baby - I know how that is - thankfully we&#039;re over the hump and I&#039;m sure you will be soon too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fyrd,</p>
<p>Wow &#8211; that&#8217;s a lot of tomato plants (we had 8 last year and I thought that was too much, though we didn&#8217;t can any).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of &#8216;lasagna gardening&#8217; &#8211; thanks for the tip.  We&#8217;re doing square foot gardening (wooden boxes on top of existing soil with a weed barrier underneath to prevent weeds.  Following his book, we are using &#8220;Mel&#8217;s Mix&#8221; which is equal parts peat moss, compost, and vermiculite.  This results in a very rich soil.  Apparently one of the benefits of SFG is the really easy weeding (since we&#8217;re starting with no weed seeds in the soil, any time I see a weed starting to sprout, just pull it out).</p>
<p>I think all the work that this year is costing me (the boxes, the vertical trellises, the cages, planting trees) is mostly a one-time cost, so I hope following years get easier.  Yes, you can call me naïve <img src='http://www.codedread.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Again, congratulations on the baby &#8211; I know how that is &#8211; thankfully we&#8217;re over the hump and I&#8217;m sure you will be soon too.</p>
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		<title>By: Fyrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fyrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 12:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s quite a variety. Should be interesting to see how well that works out.



My wife&#039;s a big gardening freak, and over the years I&#039;ve gotten more into it myself. Our garden&#039;s usually focused on heirloom tomatos and peppers. For a while we were growing 50/60 tomato plants every year, though it&#039;s only about 30 this year (less time available due to baby). Also have about 30 peppers right now.



Then there&#039;s one onion, and a couple of basil plants. We usually do more, but...baby. :)



Our tomato cages are triangular things made ourselves out of 1/2&quot; PVC tubing. Was a lot of work when we started making them several years ago, but now at least now we have them for forever! We also have a couple of chicken wire trellises (trellii?) for viney things we grew in previous years.



Oh, and have you considered lasagna gardening? That&#039;s what we do, takes a lot of the work out of weeding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s quite a variety. Should be interesting to see how well that works out.</p>
<p>My wife&#8217;s a big gardening freak, and over the years I&#8217;ve gotten more into it myself. Our garden&#8217;s usually focused on heirloom tomatos and peppers. For a while we were growing 50/60 tomato plants every year, though it&#8217;s only about 30 this year (less time available due to baby). Also have about 30 peppers right now.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s one onion, and a couple of basil plants. We usually do more, but&#8230;baby. <img src='http://www.codedread.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Our tomato cages are triangular things made ourselves out of 1/2&#8243; PVC tubing. Was a lot of work when we started making them several years ago, but now at least now we have them for forever! We also have a couple of chicken wire trellises (trellii?) for viney things we grew in previous years.</p>
<p>Oh, and have you considered lasagna gardening? That&#8217;s what we do, takes a lot of the work out of weeding.</p>
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