{"id":439,"date":"2008-03-09T11:08:58","date_gmt":"2008-03-09T17:08:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.codedread.com\/archives\/2008\/03\/09\/more-importantly\/"},"modified":"2008-03-09T11:08:58","modified_gmt":"2008-03-09T17:08:58","slug":"more-importantly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/archives\/2008\/03\/09\/more-importantly\/","title":{"rendered":"More Importantly&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><object type=\"image\/svg+xml\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" align=\"right\" hspace=\"10\" data=\"http:\/\/codedread.com\/clipart\/html.svgz\"><span\/><\/object>From a <a href=\"http:\/\/intertwingly.net\/blog\/2008\/03\/07\/Design-By-Attrition\">discussion<\/a> that started with bitterness and vitriol and half-flames came forth a semi-useful discussion in which I was a mere observer.  To me, the pinnacle of usefulness came with <a href=\"http:\/\/hsivonen.iki.fi\/\">Henri Sivonen's<\/a> post which contained a list of use cases.  Here was an important one <!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote style=\"clear:both\" cite=\"http:\/\/intertwingly.net\/blog\/2008\/03\/07\/Design-By-Attrition#c1205058801\"><p>Making Flash-like visually \u201chigh-impact\u201d (sorry about the marketing BS term) sites using the openly specified Web platform but without the Draconianness of XML in such a way that the whole thing uses retained-mode graphics and lives in one DOM for easy scripting (i.e. no need for scripts to deal with object or iframe sub-DOMs).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> (<a href=\"http:\/\/intertwingly.net\/blog\/2008\/03\/07\/Design-By-Attrition#c1205058801\">link<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>I guess that's what I want... but more important to me than removing the \"Draconianness of XML\" is that <strong>I want this stuff to work in every major browser on every major platform<\/strong>.  And no amount of specifying can guarantee that.  It takes willingness of all participants.  I use the term \"participants\" here in a broad sense, because based on the first IE8 Beta, it seems that <a href=\"http:\/\/annevankesteren.nl\/2008\/03\/ie8-bad\">Microsoft is not really working in close communication<\/a> with the HTML Working and Web Application Formats Working Groups.  The WG seems to be trapped in a constant state of reverse-engineering the things that Microsoft has done and sadly I don't see this changing in the future.<\/p>\n<p>Can an open specification really compete with a company that can throw gobs of money at developing a glitzy-but-proprietary standard, who then proceed to throw <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.msdn.com\/somasegar\/archive\/2008\/01\/07\/2008-olympics-brought-to-you-by-silverlight.aspx\">gobs<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gcn.com\/print\/27_2\/45710-1.html\">gobs<\/a> of money at organizations to use that new standard?  Further reading:  Sam Ruby's <a href=\"http:\/\/www.intertwingly.net\/blog\/2008\/01\/26\/SVG-Shiv\">SVG Shiv<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Sorry, I guess that was my cheery thought for the day.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>From a discussion that started with bitterness and vitriol and half-flames came forth a semi-useful discussion in which I was a mere observer. To me, the pinnacle of usefulness came with Henri Sivonen&#8217;s post which contained a list of use cases. Here was an important one<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[24,25,46,11,28],"tags":[98,184,198,154],"class_list":["post-439","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-microsoft","category-software","category-svg","category-technology","category-web","tag-html","tag-microsoft","tag-svg","tag-w3c"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/439","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=439"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/439\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=439"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=439"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.codedread.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=439"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}